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March 25, 2019

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LAW TIMES 4 COVERING ONTARIO'S LEGAL SCENE | MARCH 25, 2019 www.lawtimesnews.com BY ANITA BAL AKRISHNAN Law Times EXISTING relationships be- tween lawyers and their most profitable clients can be one of the best ways of bringing new business to a law firm — even if law firms may view sales as a "dirty word," said business de- velopment executives at major Canadian firms. "If you're asking a client about a problem they have, and you're making a reference to someone that can help them with that, that's sales. I think there are a lot of sales that go on every day in a law firm," said Bryan Frantz, client programs director at Nor- ton Rose Fulbright Canada LLP, who spoke on a panel at a March 19 event in Toronto hosted by the Legal Marketing Association Eastern Canada Region. "It's the dirty word that no one wants to talk about. You can call it busi- ness development; you can call it any number of things. To me, it's a matter of having a relative- ly consistent strategy about how you're doing that." While it can be tough to give every team the resources they want on a limited budget, it's less expensive to approach sales by using existing client work as a referral source, said Frantz. It's also easier to get more share of existing clients than a new client because it reduces the chances of a business or legal conf lict, said Nicolas Rubbo, senior national director of clients, markets and strategic planning at McCarthy Tétrault LLP. "Sales is really establishing one on one and nurturing that to lead to business. I think law- yers do that every day. I don't think they do it in a systematic approach. That's our job — to leverage the successful ones and communicate that to the firm," Rubbo said. Debbie Stojanovic, director of business development at Bor- den Ladner Gervais LLP, said sales isn't in everyone's DNA. But some of the most successful campaigns she has seen focus on the top 10 or 15 clients at the firm, Stojanovic said. "I certainly don't coach my partners to be salespeople or even business developers," Sto- janovic said. "Essentially, my ap- proach is, 'I want to talk to you about your key clients — which ones you want to focus on. Let's focus on the top five this year and really make a difference in terms of what their needs are.' At the end of the day, all com- panies and all individuals are much more sophisticated . . . They know when they are being sold to." Heather Suttie, a legal mar- keting and business development consultant, said she doesn't think there will be real innovation in the legal industry until there are salespeople in law firms. "That takes the pressure off lawyers; they can actually do legal work and do great legal work that's brought in by sales- people. That's the contrarian view," said Suttie. "Yet, there's a real expectation that lawyers need to bring in revenue. It's a real challenge." Frantz said it's important for business development teams to cater to the different strengths of the firm's lawyers; otherwise, a business development strategy could get "crushed" by forcing people to do something with which they aren't comfortable or that's not who they are. "Everyone has their different ways of doing things. I've seen lawyers who are great minders of relationships and they have built a huge practice because they are so good at it and they're always thinking about it," said Frantz. "Very often, they do it altru- istically because they just like people. You want to approach that person differently than someone who says, 'I want to change the world' or 'I'm a cham- pion for getting this place going' or 'We aren't doing enough of X, Y and Z.' Those are the people you focus on opportunities out there that you haven't done be- fore. You have to have a quiver of tactics and tools that allow those people to be successful in their efforts . . . based on different be- haviours and people." Technology has been one way to aid sales in firms such as Mc- Carthy Tétrault, which has de- veloped Customer Relationship Management software that's based on products such as Sales- force but specific to the firm's needs, said Rubbo. Moving in that direction makes sense in an age where iPhones and Samsung phones are the conduits for sharing in- formation in the industry, Frantz said. Rubbo said the process of implementing the software — which included an executive sponsor, a steering committee and a pilot — showed the im- portance of the existing culture in the firm. He said the lawyers in the pilot showed the CRM team that they were using the sales technology in unexpected ways. "We had a 'less is more' at the beginning of really focusing on the things we thought were valu- able for partners, knowing we would add more features later," said Rubbo. "We had developed great processes for all our business planning, our partner planning, our industry planning — all in Word — but the process was tight. To integrate into the new CRM was quite simple because the planning cycle was very well defined, the lawyers knew about it, it wasn't a real change in cul- ture. We were just moving it to a platform that was a lot easier to look at, to integrate and to col- laborate." LT Debbie Stojanovic, Nicolas Rubbo, Bryan Frantz and Heather Suttie (left to right) spoke on a panel at a March 19 event in Toronto hosted by the Legal Marketing Association Eastern Canada Region. 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